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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://ignorantium.com/2010/07/26/youre-still-wrong-possibly-even-more-so/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BL -

Thanks so much for the comment. I felt like we were talking past each other on Twitter. I am much closer to your position than my tweets likely indicated. I agree at this point that we don&#039;t know if the videos will move the needle. I also think (hope? assume?) that P&amp;G will follow up with more tactics. But if nothing else, I think this effort moves social away from being &#039;out there.&#039;

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BL -</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the comment. I felt like we were talking past each other on Twitter. I am much closer to your position than my tweets likely indicated. I agree at this point that we don&#8217;t know if the videos will move the needle. I also think (hope? assume?) that P&amp;G will follow up with more tactics. But if nothing else, I think this effort moves social away from being &#8216;out there.&#8217;</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,
Thanks for the comment and thanks for the great post on your blog about the data (http://www.stephendenny.com/2010/07/old-spice-reloaded-the-sell-through/). What I&#039;m finding particularly interesting about all the discussion going on around Old Spice is how really sharp marketing people are beginning to emerge from behind the heretofore self-proclaimed &#039;experts.&#039; To this point so much of social media dialogue has been between people who have very little real marketing experience. For once I&#039;m having deep, even contentious, discussions with people who actually know what they&#039;re talking about and I&#039;m finding it all very valuable.  
James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,<br />
Thanks for the comment and thanks for the great post on your blog about the data (<a href="http://www.stephendenny.com/2010/07/old-spice-reloaded-the-sell-through/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stephendenny.com/2010/07/old-spice-reloaded-the-sell-through/</a>). What I&#8217;m finding particularly interesting about all the discussion going on around Old Spice is how really sharp marketing people are beginning to emerge from behind the heretofore self-proclaimed &#8216;experts.&#8217; To this point so much of social media dialogue has been between people who have very little real marketing experience. For once I&#8217;m having deep, even contentious, discussions with people who actually know what they&#8217;re talking about and I&#8217;m finding it all very valuable.<br />
James</p>
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		<title>By: B.L. Ochman</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.L. Ochman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of the people who wants social media not only to succeed, but to stop being considered unusual or &quot;out there&quot; or something you can&#039;t measure.

There are 100 or more ways to measure social media; it is simply a set of tools that can (or sometimes) cannot, fit into an overall marketing strategy.

In the case of the Old Spice videos, which brilliantly used the tools, the missing link is integration. It would have been very simple to add a call to action to the videos; to add shelf-talkers, etc and bring the videos into an INTEGRATED campaign.

Buzz is fantastic, and getting it requires great skills. But it&#039;s not the only thing the brand needs.

And, i must add, Old Spice smells simply awful. no marketing or advertising can fix that.

only time will tell if the videos move the sales needle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the people who wants social media not only to succeed, but to stop being considered unusual or &#8220;out there&#8221; or something you can&#8217;t measure.</p>
<p>There are 100 or more ways to measure social media; it is simply a set of tools that can (or sometimes) cannot, fit into an overall marketing strategy.</p>
<p>In the case of the Old Spice videos, which brilliantly used the tools, the missing link is integration. It would have been very simple to add a call to action to the videos; to add shelf-talkers, etc and bring the videos into an INTEGRATED campaign.</p>
<p>Buzz is fantastic, and getting it requires great skills. But it&#8217;s not the only thing the brand needs.</p>
<p>And, i must add, Old Spice smells simply awful. no marketing or advertising can fix that.</p>
<p>only time will tell if the videos move the sales needle.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James: 

I&#039;d have said that the faction spouting the &quot;Old Spice buzz rules!&quot; dogma are hoping social media stays nebulous and therefore their own private domain (and cash cow) while the luddites who secretly fear social media crowed at its supposed failure. 

I&#039;m happy to fall somewhere in between. I just want to see campaigns that work and understand why they do. 

Fascinating to see the dramatic impact BOGO coupons had on the brand and its competitors, too. Brings you back to earth, doesn&#039;t it? 

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: </p>
<p>I&#8217;d have said that the faction spouting the &#8220;Old Spice buzz rules!&#8221; dogma are hoping social media stays nebulous and therefore their own private domain (and cash cow) while the luddites who secretly fear social media crowed at its supposed failure. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to fall somewhere in between. I just want to see campaigns that work and understand why they do. </p>
<p>Fascinating to see the dramatic impact BOGO coupons had on the brand and its competitors, too. Brings you back to earth, doesn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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